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I recently came across this officers cap at a sale and I have made quite a few
enquiries but nobody seems to know anything about it, some have said it looks
Japanese. Have you come across this badge at all. The arm in the centre of badge
is wearing armour.
Ken Katsina, 22 July 2004
This might be a merchant marine officer's cap badge rather than a naval
officer's badge. The emblem in the center looks like a house flag of some sort.
Ron Lahav, 22 July 2004
The flag is the one of JOSEPH L. THOMPSON & SONS Ltd.: a famous ship yard at
Sunderland, England. This company was involved in the first design of the
Liberty Ships. Why did a shipyard have to use an officer cap badge? Certainly
for the test & trial crew before official flagging of the new ship to her owner.
Source: Loughran (1979), page 79.
Alan Coutret, 22 October 2004
What would this flag represent: Royal blue background, stems of wheat of gold
in the middle surrounded by gold stars in a circle.
"PaniLil", 15 May 2004
Likely one of the agriculture related agencies of the EU, of which there seem to be three:
I couldn't find the flags of these organisations (if they have them) on the
EU's website, but I'd say the third is a distinct possibility.
James Dignan, 15 May 2004
I have someone who called me about a flag they are flying. They said it has 5
horizontal stripes of Orange - White - Blue - Yellow - Lime Green. I have no
further information.
Lee Herold, 9 February 2004
A pure hypothesis, some kind of Chinese flag. There have been quite a few
imperial rank flags with various colours so this arrangement might just be one
we haven't got yet (especially if the orange bit is a faded red).
Marc Pasquin, 10 February 2004
I would like to identify a Naval flag that is depicted in a Roy Cross
painting of a Clipper ship in the Arctic. The flag in question is flying at the
top of the main mast, is square, has a blue field and a white circle in the
centre. The only things that I can find that are similar is either the 'Blue
Peter' or a pendant representing the number 2. Have you any ideas?
Austin Smith, 13 February 2004
Since a blue flag with a white circle does not appear in either Marryat's
code of 1824, or in the Commercial (International) Code of Signals of 1857 -
1900 (although there is "a pendant blue with a white ball" as Austin indicates
above), can we reasonably assume that it is either a private signal of some
sort, or a house flag?
Christopher Southworth, 13 February 2004
A single flag at a masthead is probably a house flag rather than a signal
flag. Four or five steam-ship companies had a house flag like this.
David Prothero, 14 February 2004
The flag mentioned, ( I have a copy of the print Austin is referring to) is
very similar to what my family uses as a "family flag". I don't know the exact
origin of this flag, but I do know the flag was used as far back as 1797 at an
ancestors home in Camden County Georgia. Major Joseph Hardee was the son of a
Captain John Hardy who patrolled the coast in the galley Washington.
The flag has flown at my home, Father's home, Grandfather's, etc. , for as long
as I can remember. All of my vehicles also have the flag on the license plate,
as did my father's. My father is gone, but I am keeping his tradition. The flag
was used during the American Civil War as a battle flag with several variations,
but was called the Hardee Flag.
Gourm Hardee, 9 August 2004
A red flag with a thin white cross and a thin white saltire was prominently
displayed in the stand of the stadium of Sfax, during the quarter finals
Morocco-Algeria of the Africa Nations' Cup last Sunday. The flag is probably a
club supporters' flag, but I have no clue on the club it represented. The
Algerian supporters outnumbered the Moroccans, but such a red flag looks, at
first sight, rather Moroccan than Algerian. An element of answer might be given
during the semi-finals: if the flag is still there, it is Moroccan, if it
is no longer there, no straight conclusion is possible.
Ivan Sache, 9 February 2004
The football flag from Tunisia looks like a flag belonging to
Wydad of
Casablanca.
Neil Boulton, 24 October 2004
I recently acquired this flag. It reminds me of a Sons in Service flag with the red border and blue stars, but I have not seen a service flag with blue bars. Do you know what this flag actually is? It is 49 1/2" x 32 1/2" in size.
Pete Bochek, 12 May 2003
I was searching on eBay and stumbled across this Liberty Loan poster. What I'm
guessing is that the number of stripes corresponds to the number of Liberty
Loans a town has given to the Great War (World War I) I'm not so sure about the
stars on the FOTW site. Kind of has me stumped. But I believe I have found the
meaning behind the stripes.
Jonathan Backstrom, 31 March 2004
The flag (note the picture is upside down) is one of two variants I have seen of
the special award flag for the Third Liberty Loan of 1918. One with the two
stars and one without - the two stars indicate municipality raised three times
its allotted quota. The flag of the Fourth Liberty Loan, which is similar but
has 4 vertical stripes and no stars. The Liberty Loans were national efforts to
raise extra money for the War effort; the loans were interest-free (at least I
think so; none of the literature mentions any) funds given by US Citizens and
repaid by the US Government after the War. In many cases, the loaners forgave
the loan after the War.
I am unaware if the First or Second Liberty Loan Drives had any flag associated
with them, but by the time of the Third Liberty Loan, organizations,
corporations or municipalities could sign up many individual donors to make the
target amount and get a 3'x5' flag for their efforts.
I have always thought that maybe this design is a combination of the NSF and the
proposed flag of the Four Freedoms that was briefly considered as a flag for the
UN before the end of the War. That flag was white with 4 vertical red bars that
did not touch the edges of the flag.
Dave Martucci, 5 April 2004

I am attaching an image of a cloth banner. One side is mainly Gold Wire
whilst the Reverse has Silver Wire in the central part. The dimensions are
approx 27 cms x 35 cm. Our best opinion is that it comes originally from the
area of Europe now Poland. It may have been a Royal Banner of some kind. The age
has been calculated at between 200 and 400 years old.
Peter Power-Hynes, 11 April 2003
I think (I m not sure) it is flag of Konigsberg (modern Kaliningrad).
Victor Lomantsov, 14 May 2003
An unidentified flag posted for sale on eBay, 29 August 2002.
Bill Garrison, 29 August 2002
Being square, it looks like a banner of arms, either personal, civic, or
corporate.
Joe McMillan, 29 August 2002
I have no definitive citation for you, but the Three Lions St. George flag
looks exactly like several I have seen on TV broadcasts of England national team
football (soccer) games. One sees lots of variations on the English flag at such
events, and I am certain that I have seen this three-lion version as a banner
hung from stadium terraces.
Scott Rogers, 20 May 2003
From
http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~bcd/rolemaster/novi/her-list.txt, which seems to be
a website dedicated to some sort of role-playing game, is this blazon of the
arms corresponding to the "three lions St. George" shown here. "Argent, on a
cross gules a lion passant between two lions' faces in pale Or.* Corporate Arms
of the FOOTBALL LEAGUE, which governs English domestic competition, March 25,
1974.
Crest: On a grassy mount a football surmounted by a swift (Apus apus) volant,
all proper.
Badge: In front of a chain of twelve links in the form of an annulet agent a
lion tricorporate the tails of the upper two bodies in chief Or.
The Football League banner flies over Wembley Stadium."
This would account for Scott Rogers's comment on our page that he'd seen this
flag flying at English national matches, although I gather that the role of the
Football League is no longer what it once was.
Joe McMillan, 12 May 2004
It may have been the arms then, but it now
uses a soccer ball proper surrounded by an azure and gules circular pattern
(similar to a bordure compony). Above this is a crest of a lion passant gardant
gules, and below are the words "The football league" in sable (that according to
a picture in the Rothmans Football Yearbook 2001-2002, anyway).
The logo of the English Premier League is simply argent, a lion statant azure,
with left front leg lifted, supported by a soccer ball argent and gules. The
lion is crowned gules, and is standing on a base vert. The base contains the
words "The F.A. Premier League" in argent between two very thin barrulets
argent.
James Dignan, 12 May 2004
Not sure it does; it's a reference to his family arms, and the axes there are
black. What we saw was white with three red axes. Do any of the towns mentioned
on the page have arms/flag like that?
Al Kirsch, 29 August 2002
Lately I've noticed a black - medium blue - black, arranged horizontally auto
tag on many vehicles in the area around Pittsburgh,
Pennsylvania. Anyone know what this means?
John Evosevic, 3 July 2002
The Black-Blue-Black design is usually seen on a policeman's personal car or
family members car. It stands for the "thin blue line". There is also a similar
one with a red strip for firemen.
Jim Popovitch, 17 August 2002
The black-medium blue-black flag is actually a police mourning band. It is
typically worn as a band across the badge when an officer is killed in the line
of duty. I have seen it in use more frequently now as a bumper sticker, I
believe this is probably a show of respect for the police officers killed on
September 11th.
Troy Corwin, 26 September 2002